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7Apr/08Off

MoM: Min Infocom w/ ICT Societies

Meeting Between Minister of Infocom with ICT Community
On-Site Report. 07-04-2008. 19:30.

Minister, Mr Mohammad Nuh:

  • We need to share resources for ICT development
  • It is not recessary to distinct left/right negative/positive
  • It is admitted that ITE Law needs to be enhanced (=revised)
  • We have approach to overlook minimum resources by eliminating 'negative' contents, i.e. pornography etc
  • No pretention for total effectiveness of the filter
  • Necessity to provide protection for them who feels needing (school, office, etc)
  • Fitna: Direct order of the President to remove the film from Indonesian Internet

Wicaksono (a.k.a. Ndoro Kakung):

  • Is it necessary to have victims ? For example, Youtube is used for education & work. Can we just block it at the direct page instead of the server?

Minister:

  • It is a political decision. But we will be happy if we can find better technique to block only the certain content.

Wicaksono:

  • Is it possible to cancel the letter issued by the minister, since it has 'frightened' the ISPs?

Minister:

  • No. What we will do is to ask Youtube to remove that certain content.

Narpati (a.k.a. Kunderemp):

  • About 12 cartoons of Prophet Muhammad @ Wikipedia. Wikipedia has no concern to remove the cartoon. Even it locks the page so it's possible to edit it. Does it mean we would also block Wikipedia?

Minister:

  • See? We have many problems :) . Approaches could be moral or technical, and it's not necessary to have everything under control. But we need to do it as good as possible.

Rane (a.k.a. JaF):

  • Have the government considered that blockings will apply to useful sites required for society, while it still fails to block negative content effectively?

Priyadi:

  • First, it's not true that I have defaced the site of Dept. Infocom. Govt position is understandable. But, for example, IOC could force govt of PRC to unblock blocked sites on China, at least the English content. Here in Indonesia, we does not hace proper equipment to filter effectively.
  • Anyway, any filter could be hacked. For example, with indirect connection abroad etc.
  • Problems like spamming have not be touched by the Law.
  • Is it still possible now to revise the Law? And to involve blogger in socializing the Law, BEFORE it is launched?

Minister:

  • Thank you for the inputs. As I have said, we need all resource from our society. Now let Mr Edmon tell other aspect of the Law.

Mr Edmon Makarim (Adviser of the Minister):

  • ITE Law would support the development of Indonesian IT. It avoids online crimes, and eliminate international reason to blacklist Indonesia from online International forums. Not only pornography, but also racisms.
  • We also make the law officers now to act based on valid data & information, which is required by the Law, instead of by suspictions only.

Boy Avianto:

  • Don't underestimate our nation by thinking that people will easily provoked by 'bad content'.
  • We should instead encourage people to make good content. We can challenge the people, in their own levels.

Tri (Blogger & Teacher):

  • Blogging is not simply writings. It is also for working. Any concrete steps for the blocking schemes, as any method could be hacked.

Mr Basuki (Dir.Gen. of Post & Telecom):

  • Content enhancement, needs more developing positive content, but anso supressing negative content.
  • For spamming, we are in progress of developing early warning system, which is now only in early stage.

Yusuf Kurniawan:

  • We need support for hackers and IT communities with technical capabilities.

Mr Cahyana (Dir.Gen. of Telematics Application):

  • The ITE Law was not discussed only by 10 fraction, but also by balcony fraction, which has given valuable inputs. It is questionable why the media now only focus only on pornography.
  • Other efforts were also developed together with international communities, for example Indonesian involvement at Budapest Law of Cybercrime. It is still imperfect, for sure.

Eko Juniarto (a.k.a. Ryosaeba):

  • Will we have real action against someone who lately misinformed society with strong defamation against the blogger?
  • (Eko played two records as evidences)

Kuncoro (a.k.a. Koen):

  • We're in progress of developing IT-based societies on new frontiers of West Java, incl using Web 2.0 technologies, which surely would include blogging. But some defamation (using name of the Department) has discouraged the society from blogging or even accessing the Internet. Dept should clarify the position of the government. Also we need other support (ideas etc) to empower the society.

Muhammad Triwibowo:

  • We could deploy a kind of ever-updated antivirus system to overcome bad contents.

Minister:

  • I don't know why blogger could be shooting target. Since I know the bloggers (27/10/07), I got positive impression with the bloggers. That's my impression. I don't know about him (Mr You-Know-Who). Kominfo supports Blogger communities to dynamize the development of all societies. It is the position of Depkominfo.

Ady Permadi (a.k.a. Big):

  • We need clarification!

Minister:

  • Please trace it, since the first blogger day. We support it as new community to deploy functions of education, empowerment, & enlightening to the development of the society. Blogger is part of our family. We grow together. Please touch (jawil) the other who says against it.
  • We will support with technical & ideas as our contribution.
  • Yes. Blogger is our family.
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Comments (25) Trackbacks (6)
  1. Thanks for the transcript. What about the audio version? Available somewhere?

  2. Thanks Pak Koen. Very useful.

    Ada vide nya enggak? Mungkin bisa di upload the YouTube :)

    Salam.
    [TH]

  3. Hey…
    My name is on the post.. horeee….
    (narcistic mode = ON)

  4. Roy….dimanakah kamu??? :D

    Yang jelas, makasih banyak buat blogger yg udah kesana, udah mau nyampein aspirasi blogger2 yg lain, walau memang keliatannya tidak mungkin untuk mencabut keputusan memblokir youtube yg bikin saya mau nangis ini….

    Untung ada proxy Thailand ;)

  5. Gile.. komplit banget.. Thanks mas.

    #Thomas: Audio version coming.. :)

  6. Thanks for your report. I hope this meeting will enlight the parties, particularly RS, who always blame bloggers.

  7. Terima kasih atas liputannya.

  8. I like to quote this :
    “Yes. Blogger is our family.” :D

    who cares about an IT expert ?

  9. thanks for the info mas, so now blogger is a part of depkominfo familiy? :D

  10. did anyone asked what’s the role of the so called pakar in the process of formulating the ite law? why did most of the media portray him as if he’s the government’s speaker regarding that law?

  11. Sebenarnya jawaban Menkominfo sudah dapat diduga dari sebelumnya… soo predictable. apalagi pake mode keroyokan on hehe… sama ding dia juga bawa bala bantuannya.
    Pak Nuh ini bagaikan ‘bapak IT’ bagi anak2 IT dan turunannya di Indonesia.
    Dialog2 yang mencerdaskan dan bertujuan untuk saling memahami ini harus sering dilanjutkan, tapi jangan sampe ngotot2an, karena akan kontraproduktif. Tahu sendiri cara bapak nanganin anaknya yang rebel.
    Kalo beliau2 udah paham, kan pasti juga akan melunak… dan malah ngasih jempol sama anak2nya yang baik, pintar, dewasa, ketambahan lagi kalo sholeh/sholehah/beriman .. orang tua mana yang nggak bangga. Trus mbok ya nama you know who itu nggak usah disebut2 lagi, bad publicity is good publicity. Biarin aja nanti juga dia bete sendiri.
    Grow up, blogger!

  12. @MisterPopo
    Link itu adalah rekaman talkshow saya di Eltira FM Jogja berjudul “Ngeblog dengan WordPress itu Gampang”.
    Di talkshow itu saya singgung sedikit tentang beda Blogger, Hacker, dan Cracker. Trims

  13. tapi, saya lebih tertarik soal gimana mendorong munculnya blog dengan good content. dilombain pasti lebih asyik, tanpa bermaksud untuk juara-juaraan. mesti ada persaingan kan? :P
    makasih semuanya, sebuah pencerahan yang luar biasa.

  14. Thanks boss, atas updatenya. Sukses selalu.

  15. nice posting kang tristan

  16. Saya tertarik dengan ini :
    “Minister:

    * I don’t know why blogger could be shooting target. Since I know the bloggers (27/10/07), I got positive impression with the bloggers. That’s my impression. I don’t know about him (Mr You-Know-Who). Kominfo supports Blogger communities to dynamize the development of all societies. It is the position of Depkominfo.
    :D

  17. Nambahin link buat ngunduh rekamannya full 2 jam. Kalau ada yang berminat silahken. Ada disini: http://u-radio.org/?p=33
    :)

  18. Ehem… test.. test. one.. two…. three…
    excuse me boleh ngomong pake bahasa Indonesia? :D

    Ho oh rada mual juga ama Roy Suryo akhir2 ini, tapi gak gw pikirin koq si Roy Suryo itu. Hmmm… iya kenapa statemen dia itu selalu dianggap masyarakat sebagai statemen wakil dari Depkominfo atau masyarakat IT luas. Om Nuh sendiri bilang kalo dia gak tau kenapa blogger jadi ‘shooting target’ dari si RS itu. Itu berarti memang tidak ada komunikasi atau konfirmasi sebelumnya kedua belah pihak tentang blogger ini, secara Om Nuh sendiri bilang kalo beliau dan Depkominfo mendukung para blogger Indonesia.

    Kalo ada diskusi2 seperti ini bagi2 reportnya ya… atau sambil santai2 bisa baca di http://komikstrip.wordpress.com/2008/04/08/untung-situsnya-bakal-di-blok/

  19. @All: Sorry, guys. I never claim this as a complete report. You see, I translated the speech on-site, with only 71% accuracy. And sometimes I got distracted by many things, even by the speakers him/herself. Great ideas took my brain to the sky, so I forgot to continue my report. Deeply sorry.

  20. oy uyo koq ga diajak sih kemaren..

  21. Wah meskipun tidak berada di tempat pertemuan 777, tapi dengan membaca ini serasa berada disana. Thank’s Pak Koen.

  22. saya mendengar nama roy disebut dan ditertawai bersama sama, tapi kenapa nggak ada tertulis di sini?

  23. Blogger, Hacker, Minister, and Roy?